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05.02.12 :: Reading Silver Hallmarks :: re: Help! Deciphering an unusual group of hallmarks :: ...

noreply@www.silver-collector.com (MoCounty) — Sun, 05 Feb 2012 04:29:21 +0000

MoCounty wrote at 05 Feb 2012 04:29 AM GMT: The F in an oval is the mark used on imported or foreign silver that was assayed in Britian. It was in use from approxomately 1867 to 1904.

04.02.12 :: Reading Silver Hallmarks :: re: hallmarks :: Reply by M.Olag

noreply@www.silver-collector.com (M.Olag) — Sat, 04 Feb 2012 19:51:04 +0000

M.Olag wrote at 04 Feb 2012 07:51 PM GMT: http://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=27347

04.02.12 :: What's it worth? :: Anyone know what HSL hallmark or JD&S trumpet means plea

noreply@www.silver-collector.com (pennyrwright1@yahoo.co.uk) — Sat, 04 Feb 2012 07:03:38 +0000

pennyrwright1@yahoo.co.uk wrote at 04 Feb 2012 07:03 AM GMT: i haven't set my camera up yet but will do so. For the moment, I have a teapot, coffee pot, milk and sugar bowl all epns, very heavy and marked with HSL in capital letters within a square border under each piece.

I also have some beautiful silver spoons that have an old english style writing with JD&S with a trumpet.

Any help on what they are and the value would be really helpful. I would like to sell them.

many thanks,
Penny
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03.02.12 :: Reading Silver Hallmarks :: hallmarks

noreply@www.silver-collector.com (M.Olag) — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 09:12:49 +0000

M.Olag wrote at 03 Feb 2012 09:12 AM GMT: Hi!
I will appreciate if anybody can id these marks.
It is an authentic silver piece made before XVIII century.
Big Russian thanks!
с

02.02.12 :: Reading Silver Hallmarks :: re: Marks on pair of candlesticks :: Reply by paulh

noreply@www.silver-collector.com (paulh) — Thu, 02 Feb 2012 22:54:33 +0000

paulh wrote at 02 Feb 2012 10:54 PM GMT: That Porto mark was used from 1843-1853, when the grade of silver was 958/1000, which is the same as English Britannia Silver, sterling silver is 925/1000

Paul.

02.02.12 :: Photographing Silver :: re: Scottish spoon hallmarks :: Reply by Kate Alice

noreply@www.silver-collector.com (Kate Alice) — Thu, 02 Feb 2012 22:42:33 +0000

Kate Alice wrote at 02 Feb 2012 10:42 PM GMT: Thanks very much for clarifying the date for me. I can now see the clipped edges of the W shield so 1828 it is but unfortunately this date doesn't relate to any family events either. The bowl is quite worn with thin edges so it has been well used in its day. CW is actually my GGGGrandmother (forgot a G) and at that time my GGGGrandfather was Head Gardener to the Earl of Elgin but that's as close to money and royalty as my family comes. I am voting for Andrew Wilkie as the silversmith (gut feeling is all). Much appreciate your input!
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02.02.12 :: What is it? :: Hallmark letters RH inside a crown .only marking

noreply@www.silver-collector.com (shaneen) — Thu, 02 Feb 2012 21:39:41 +0000

shaneen wrote at 02 Feb 2012 09:39 PM GMT: Hello,
I am new to the site and request some assistance in identifying two attractive pieces. Firstly they both have a hallmark on their base. It is a crown with the letters R H inside.They are quite small but unusually heavy. This is the only marking so it is probably not silver. I have found another link featuring the same marking but as yet no positive identification

http://www.silver-collector.com/topic2220.html

I have will shortly post photos. Unfortunately the ones I have taken are too large for uploading

thanks

02.02.12 :: What is it? :: re: Mote spoon? :: Reply by vegard_dino

noreply@www.silver-collector.com (vegard_dino) — Thu, 02 Feb 2012 18:39:38 +0000

vegard_dino wrote at 02 Feb 2012 06:39 PM GMT: Thanks for the information. Great help for me.
So, from what I understand, a Mote spoon is not found in every antique shop?
Guess they went out of use when the tea strainer come. So, that will make them all old and maybe rare?

Thanks

02.02.12 :: What is it? :: re: Mote spoon? :: Reply by tomnik

noreply@www.silver-collector.com (tomnik) — Thu, 02 Feb 2012 18:28:25 +0000

tomnik wrote at 02 Feb 2012 06:28 PM GMT: Mote Spoons were practical necessities in the early years of tea drinking. Tea leaves had to be steeped within each teacup. When the tea was ready, the spoon was used to fish out the soaked bits of leaves.
These spoons, with their pierced bowls, were also used to separate the larger tea leaves stored within a tea chest, from any alien bits that managed to find their way into the bags of raw tea leaves during the harvesting process.
Another aspect of the mote spoon�s design was its narrow and usually pointed handle, which allowed it to be pushed down the spout of the teapot to unclog any tea leaves that may have clogged it up.
Regards
John

02.02.12 :: What is it? :: Mote spoon?

noreply@www.silver-collector.com (vegard_dino) — Thu, 02 Feb 2012 13:05:53 +0000

vegard_dino wrote at 02 Feb 2012 01:05 PM GMT: Did find a odd looking spoon, the style/type is named MOTE spoon. What is it used for? A straining type?
Never seen anything like it before.

Thanks

02.02.12 :: Photographing Silver :: re: Scottish spoon hallmarks :: Reply by silvermakersmarks

noreply@www.silver-collector.com (silvermakersmarks) — Thu, 02 Feb 2012 04:02:51 +0000

silvermakersmarks wrote at 02 Feb 2012 04:02 AM GMT: This "w" is actually the date code for 1828 so it would not have been a wedding gift. Maybe your ancestors came into a bit of money.

AW is listed by the Incorporation of Goldsmiths of the City of Edinburgh as "Unknown", but they also say that "It is likely that this is the mark of Andrew Wilkie."

01.02.12 :: Photographing Silver :: Scottish spoon hallmarks

noreply@www.silver-collector.com (Kate Alice) — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 23:31:09 +0000

Kate Alice wrote at 01 Feb 2012 11:31 PM GMT: Family lore dictates that this 5.5" spoon may have belonged to my GGGrandmother (1791-1854) married in 1814, married initials CW, which are engraved on the handle. This family lived in Charlestown, Fife near Dunfermline, Scotland. If I am reading the hallmarks correctly it is Edinburgh silver produced around 1802-3 (?) by Andrew Wilkie or even Alexander Wotherspoon. I am a bit puzzled by the early date if it was a wedding gift. Confirmation of the silversmith would be nice. Anyone have thoughts on this?
Thanks - Kate
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01.02.12 :: Collecting British Silver :: re: Straining spoons, rare? :: Reply by vegard_dino

noreply@www.silver-collector.com (vegard_dino) — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 20:07:00 +0000

vegard_dino wrote at 01 Feb 2012 08:07 PM GMT: Thanks for the tip

01.02.12 :: What is it? :: re: Help solve a family mystery :: Reply by silvermakersmarks

noreply@www.silver-collector.com (silvermakersmarks) — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 18:39:43 +0000

silvermakersmarks wrote at 01 Feb 2012 06:39 PM GMT: No, sorry. As you mention in your original post, electroplate is virtually impossible to date accurately. Anywhere from 1880 to 1920 is possible.

01.02.12 :: What's it worth? :: re: 1858 Joseph Angell 2 Mug? Sterling Silver :: Reply by ...

noreply@www.silver-collector.com (silvermakersmarks) — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 18:36:24 +0000

silvermakersmarks wrote at 01 Feb 2012 06:36 PM GMT: Try eBay's completed auctions feature to get an idea of value. You won't find anything exactly the same, but you might find something of similar age and size.

01.02.12 :: Collecting British Silver :: re: Straining spoons, rare? :: Reply by silvermakersmarks

noreply@www.silver-collector.com (silvermakersmarks) — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 18:33:11 +0000

silvermakersmarks wrote at 01 Feb 2012 06:33 PM GMT: They are rarer than "normal" spoons but do come up occasionally on eBay, I suggest you have alook there.

01.02.12 :: Collecting British Silver :: re: Crest.......HELP me with some information. Thanks.. ...

noreply@www.silver-collector.com (vegard_dino) — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 14:12:13 +0000

vegard_dino wrote at 01 Feb 2012 02:12 PM GMT: Thanks for the information, good to learn something new.

01.02.12 :: What's it worth? :: 1858 Joseph Angell 2 Mug? Sterling Silver

noreply@www.silver-collector.com (devan) — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 13:59:24 +0000

devan wrote at 01 Feb 2012 01:59 PM GMT: I found this and wanted to know the history of this piece and of course the value thereof.
it is in excellent condition, only has a small ding on the bottom.

please help me with values for this stunning piece.

01.02.12 :: Collecting British Silver :: re: Straining spoons, rare? :: Reply by vegard_dino

noreply@www.silver-collector.com (vegard_dino) — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 12:33:29 +0000

vegard_dino wrote at 01 Feb 2012 12:33 PM GMT: Thanks for the reply.

But, is it a rare spoon? Any collecting value?

They do look odd and good, at the same time.

Thanks.

01.02.12 :: What is it? :: re: Help solve a family mystery :: Reply by king kibi

noreply@www.silver-collector.com (king kibi) — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 10:12:01 +0000

king kibi wrote at 01 Feb 2012 10:12 AM GMT: Silvermakersmarks

Thanks for the info. Any suggestions on how to date the spoons?

01.02.12 :: What is it? :: re: Help solve a family mystery :: Reply by silvermakersmarks

noreply@www.silver-collector.com (silvermakersmarks) — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 08:30:02 +0000

silvermakersmarks wrote at 01 Feb 2012 08:30 AM GMT: I can't help with identification or dating, but your spoons are called preserve spoons; i.e. serving jam is their correct purpose.

01.02.12 :: Collecting British Silver :: re: Crest.......HELP me with some information. Thanks.. ...

noreply@www.silver-collector.com (silvermakersmarks) — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 08:23:00 +0000

silvermakersmarks wrote at 01 Feb 2012 08:23 AM GMT: In general crests and engravings make silver less valuable although I'm sure there will always be exceptions. As to the class of people who would have crests, etc on their silver, I guess the simple answer is that anyone who could afford a full set of silverware would be wealthy enough to have some sort of armorial, or at least have monograms engraved on their silver.

01.02.12 :: Collecting British Silver :: re: Straining spoons, rare? :: Reply by silvermakersmarks

noreply@www.silver-collector.com (silvermakersmarks) — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 08:20:37 +0000

silvermakersmarks wrote at 01 Feb 2012 08:20 AM GMT: For straining bits out of liquids to be served at table, e.g. gravy.

31.01.12 :: Reading Silver Hallmarks :: re: Marks on pair of candlesticks :: Reply by anticuariato

noreply@www.silver-collector.com (anticuariato) — Tue, 31 Jan 2012 23:27:54 +0000

anticuariato wrote at 31 Jan 2012 11:27 PM GMT: Paul - Obrigado!

But it is in fact sterling silver then?

31.01.12 :: What is it? :: re: Meaures :: Reply by king kibi

noreply@www.silver-collector.com (king kibi) — Tue, 31 Jan 2012 23:02:06 +0000

king kibi wrote at 31 Jan 2012 11:02 PM GMT: Jase

They may have been used in the pub trade. Mandal silver seems to have been an alloy used in Britain in making various barfittings around the early 20th Century. These include mugs, measures and barrel taps. Some people also suggest Mandal silver was used in Norway in the pub trade. Mandal Silver is also a Norwegian town where silver was exported to Britain and used as an Alloy with Pewter.

However, given the objects were used in the pub trade (I doubt in most instances), there is any silver in the alloy?

You often see mandil silver measures on ebay: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mandal-Silver-Measure-Cups-x-3-MM16-/250498774101

Sorry I couldn't be much more help.

31.01.12 :: Reading Silver Hallmarks :: re: Marks on pair of candlesticks :: Reply by paulh

noreply@www.silver-collector.com (paulh) — Tue, 31 Jan 2012 22:57:10 +0000

paulh wrote at 31 Jan 2012 10:57 PM GMT: That is the city mark for Porto. Your P:ortugese idea was correct.

Paul.

31.01.12 :: What is it? :: Help solve a family mystery

noreply@www.silver-collector.com (king kibi) — Tue, 31 Jan 2012 22:40:18 +0000

king kibi wrote at 31 Jan 2012 10:40 PM GMT: BACKGROUND
These two spoons labelled spoon 1 and 2 have been passed-down to family members for at least four generations. My mother recently gave them to me. She remembers her grandmother in the 1940s in Geelong, Australia serving cream and jam with them over scones on a Sunday evening. Apparently the spoons were only brought out when guests arrived and the spoons were never mixed-up. That is - one was always used to serve jam and the other spoon was used to serve cream. Therefore I know that both spoons predate the 1940s.

I have attached a picture of both spoons and their respective hallmarks.

SPOON 1
Spoon 1 has the hallmark of �EPNS� on the front of the main shaft (see image) and has no other hallmarks. I understand that EPNS means Electroplated Nickel Silver and the process of electroplating developed in the 1840s and getting an accurate date is difficult because there are no date letters stamped on the pieces. However there is a distinctive design on the piece that may assist dating.

SPOON 2
Spoon 2 has the hallmark of �D&A BENGAL� on the rear of the top (see image) and has no other hallmarks. I understand that D&A BENGAL� was a trademark of Daniel & Arter of Globe Nevada Silver Works, Highgate Street, Birmingham. Thomas H. Daniel and Thomas R. Arter made Nickle Silver Alloy spoons and around 1882 they started making silver and silverplate items.The firm was converted in 1920 into a limited liability company under the style �DANIEL & ARTER LTD� AND The business closed in the 1930s. Spoon 2 is less decorative when compared to Spoon 1.

QUESTIONS
Acknowledging that both spoons predate the 1940s:

General - What type of spoons are they?

Spoon 1 - What is the approximate date for spoon 1? Where was spoon 1 manufactured? A distinctive design on the piece may assist answering both questions?

Spoon 2 - What is the approximate date for spoon 2? It appears that spoon 2 has the earlier D&A hallmark that places it before 1920s.

That�s it. Any assistance would be appreciated so that the above background story can be fleshed out a little and carried on to future generations.

31.01.12 :: What's it worth? :: 108 pieces flatware set

noreply@www.silver-collector.com (vera219) — Tue, 31 Jan 2012 22:03:11 +0000

vera219 wrote at 31 Jan 2012 10:03 PM GMT: I am interested in selling silver flatware that I inherited from my grandmother. It is M.W. BRANDT 800
Silver flatware consisting of 108 objects: 12 large spoons, 12 desert spoons, 13 medium spoons, 12 seafood forks, 12 knives, 12 desert knives, 12 deserts forks, 12 large forks, 11 medium forks. All 19th (maybe mid/early) century, Germany, hamburg. vera219@gmail.com

31.01.12 :: What is it? :: re: Need Information for Tea Pot & Creamer :: Reply by jrock1184

noreply@www.silver-collector.com (jrock1184) — Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:50:34 +0000

jrock1184 wrote at 31 Jan 2012 05:50 PM GMT: Wow, thanks for the response. This information is going to help me a lot.

30.01.12 :: What is it? :: re: Need Information for Tea Pot & Creamer :: Reply by uncle vic

noreply@www.silver-collector.com (uncle vic) — Mon, 30 Jan 2012 16:41:43 +0000

uncle vic wrote at 30 Jan 2012 04:41 PM GMT: Hi there and thanks for joining us. Both appear to be American silver plate and of little or no commercial value. I can't find reference to either maker in a quick look in my books, but I suspect the Barth name may be a retailer vs. a maker. The World company may be a trade name for one of the mass silver plate makers such as Rogers, Oneida, International, etc. Date is next to impossible to pin down other than from the style I'd guess early to mid-20th century.

The term "nickel silver" refers to an alloy that contains zero silver and the term "silver soldered" likewise tells us its not solid silver.

American "sterling silver" (92.5% pure silver) is virtually always marked as such.

You might try doing a google search on the Davis Island Counry Club and see if it still exists as I suspect its a golf or tennis award from there, and who knows, they may be willing to pay dearly to have it for display.

Regards,

Uncle Vic

30.01.12 :: Reading Silver Hallmarks :: Marks on pair of candlesticks

noreply@www.silver-collector.com (anticuariato) — Mon, 30 Jan 2012 16:13:06 +0000

anticuariato wrote at 30 Jan 2012 04:13 PM GMT: I have spent the entire weekend, unsuccessfully trying to identify these marks. I am hoping someone with more experience can guide me in the right direction. Portugal, maybe?

Thank you very much in advance.

30.01.12 :: What's it worth? :: Aspreys Silver Plated Cocktail Shaker

noreply@www.silver-collector.com (fanitot) — Mon, 30 Jan 2012 14:11:31 +0000

fanitot wrote at 30 Jan 2012 02:11 PM GMT: Could anyone give a guess as to the worth of a silver plated art Deco Cocktail shaker? It is inscrbed "Drogo Xmas 1933", and on the base has "Patent Pending" "Asprey London". It has been in my family since at least 1951, but I am now thinking of selling, as I need the space. There is one nearly exactly the same on the Asprey Website, but in solid silver with gilt instead of silver plate.
Any help gratefully received!

30.01.12 :: What is it? :: Need Information for Tea Pot & Creamer

noreply@www.silver-collector.com (jrock1184) — Mon, 30 Jan 2012 01:16:26 +0000

jrock1184 wrote at 30 Jan 2012 01:16 AM GMT: I just got these two items and was wondering if anyone knows anything about the makers and perhaps
the year and value (If any).
The first is a tea pot with Davis Island C.C. engraved on the side.
with L. Barth & Son Inc, New York, Nickel Silver, Silver Soldered 16 oz on the bottom.
The second im guessing is a creamer with The World Silver Plate Co 1001 on the bottom.
I've searched both and could not find much information on them. Any help would be appreciated.

29.01.12 :: Collecting British Silver :: Crest.......HELP me with some information. Thanks....

noreply@www.silver-collector.com (vegard_dino) — Sun, 29 Jan 2012 21:39:10 +0000

vegard_dino wrote at 29 Jan 2012 09:39 PM GMT: Hi all

Oh, yes, more questions.

A piece of silver, spoon, fork, bowl or tea pot, with a Crest engraved.
Was/is a Crest only used by large, rich and powerful people or Clans?

Will silver with a Crest be worth more?

All help is good.....I need it.

Thanks all

29.01.12 :: What is it? :: re: Unstamped silver tea set :: Reply by SCouch

noreply@www.silver-collector.com (SCouch) — Sun, 29 Jan 2012 21:36:31 +0000

SCouch wrote at 29 Jan 2012 09:36 PM GMT: Thanks!!