Confirmation London 1781?

Hi all!
Could anyone confirm my reading is correct? I think Richard Bayley, London, 1781 but I still have a little doubt… otherwise any idea what’s the use? Thanks to all and have a great weekend
Remy


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I agree Richard Bayley but the date is 1741.

Phil

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You’re right as usual :wink: thanks a lot Phil!

It’s a piggin or cream pail. Note the rather dangerous looking Teeswater milk cow now commonly referred to as a “shorthorn”. The glass is a later fit and it would be well worth your while to commission a local glazier to make you an interior using the same flint glass as the Ravenscroft or Vauxhall glass factory would have employed when Bayley made the swing-handle holder.

I think I might encourage him/her to experiment with iron oxide in the glass to create a green tinge. The original would have been plain but a green pasture for a dairy cow seems right!

You have a fine example of 18th-century Rococo silver characterized by its elaborate, asymmetrical ornamentation featuring natural motif, plants, and flowing lines reflecting the style’s emphasis on asymmetry and natural forms.

CRWW

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Wow wow wow! I’m impressed and grateful for this very insightful reply 🫶🏻
I thought the glass was a later fit but unfortunately I don’t know here (I’m in Geneva, Switzerland) any glazier :frowning:
I tried to find similar items but I cannot find any to compare, would you have a rough idea of the retail price?
Thanks again!!

Remy

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Looks like between US$200 and US$600 (with glass) at auction. You get about half of that on an auction sale by the time the auction house takes buyers and seller’s commission (you pay only the former but the buyer adjusts his offer to keep in mind he has to pay commission too)

The auction price is about half what it’s on offer retail or on ebay

I like yours better than anything I can see on the Live Auctioneer site. I have seen cream pail rural scenes by Charles Chesterman which have gone for higher. But that was later and used cobalt blue glass. This is an early pail and by a maker noted for plain mugs and tankards, so much so I looked for an over stamp by him on it. Didn’t see it

I spoke to a friend who is a glass blower and he told me a couple of things of interest. He can do the flint glass but it is more brittle than modern glass and may fracture so he thinks the glass should be thicker both for that reason. and to store cold longer --remember no fridges just ice boxes back then – and secondly the iron oxide I suggested will come out a light green, there are options for a darker colour. The suggestion was an emerald green.

Also the cream it held would have been a clotted cream not a pourable cream hence no spout but it will need to be ladled or spooned out.

CRWW

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