Need help with identifying maker’s mark

I have not been able to find any information about this maker’s mark. Any help would be appreciated!

Whole item photo, please.

London 1685

London, 1685?

But there is no dot between the initials…

https://lapada.org/art-and-antiques/william-mary-antique-silver-plates-london-1685-91/

Hi Bartholomew

The date letter is rather worn, but I was,also thinking London 1685.

The picture you found is very similar indeed, thanks for posting it. It is really a pity that there is no dot.

Do you know the name of the silversmith?

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Hello Bjork! I am violently happy that my observations may be useful. :slight_smile:

As for “h” - James II Silver Trefid Spoon, 1685 by John Smith » Antique Silver Spoons 100%

As for silversmith - still searching… :face_with_monocle:

We don’t know many names for certain prior to 1697 as there are no existing records. The names we do know have been found through detective work and educated guesswork. This IB is not one of them.

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Got something:

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Hi Phil,

I was not aware of that, useful to know.

Thanks for the information!

Great finds!

The first one is almost identical. Same pattern, same year, similar size.

You might think that the two silversmiths knew about each others work

Thanks for showing it.

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I think this is a good question for Phil (and other forum members, of course). I don’t know if it was common practice back then to stamp different initials onto existing items. The mere existence of identical items, but with different signatures, gives me pause… Despite feeling terrible (a cold), I’m persevering in my search. Does “Bjork” come from the name of this talented artist? :musical_score:

IS-JohnSuttonJohn Sutton (1672..1690)

https://www.christies.com/en/lot/lot-5847302

Yes, very talented!

The name means birch so it is a very old word.

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:+1:

You made me long for spring now. A lovely thing to do on a sunny day.

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As a kid, I spent time in the forest almost every day. In the spring, the lumberjacks would cut down the trees, and I’d just wait for the birches…

There is a saying: Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

We should not be surprised to find similar pieces made by a variety of silversmiths. Porringers seem to have been a fairly frequently produced type of silverware and many of them have leafy decoration.

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Phil, with all due respect, I understand this - despite my lack of experience - but I am still looking for a specific answer to “Who committed this?” :slightly_smiling_face:

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The simple answer is that we will probably never know.

I never wave the white flag—let’s leave that to the French and Italians. I’m counting on your help—as always… Don’t take away my hope…

There’s a song by The Cure called “Fight fight fight”…