Need help with recognizing of silver portsigar

Found it in region Galizien (austria-wunr-poland-ussr-reich-ussr), there is no nubmers of silver quality only hallmarks you can see on photos something like P or B before (.S) and hexagon over it. Just wanna find our country of origin, company or year when it was made







May you determine country where is was made or year?

I’m betting on Austria. Finding a definitive answer will take a long time…
Take a photo of the bottom of the item with dimensions.

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new photos just added

Head hallmark facing left in hexagonal frame, initials P?.S.
Try cleaning the signatures gently.

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I tried already, first later may be R P or B, and this hallmark is the only one

the signs are just erased I can’t make them out.

I think it’s R because the distance to the dot is too big to tell if it’s B or P. But what R.S. could mean I have no idea, I’ve been trying to figure it out for the second day now

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Are there two similar signatures on the item?
The letters here resemble LS…

You were right about hexagon.
I guess its number of silver purity or even a year


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You’re right maybe, ill check first one better

Watch this, i took better camera, in center of hexagone is head. Ill clean it better and massage later

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I knew it was a head from the very first time. :slight_smile: That’s why I asked for cleaning it gently.


2 head A
I’m waiting for a response from the masters of this forum. I’m slowly getting bored with the role of a lone detective…

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Thanks to you and google I find out that
R/P.S under halmark are probably initials of master

Years of this type of (mark with head) 1872-1922,
(A) means made in Vienna

But what about (2), maybe it mean exact year/decade of production, I’d love to know it

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The 2, coupled with the hexagonal punch, indicates .900 fineness of the silver.

ETA: A link to some useful photos:

Dianakopf marks

Austrian hallmarks of this period do not use any system of date lettering, so you’ll never be able to determine when the object was made. The 1872-1922 range is as precise as it’s possible to be.

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Niello Silver from Vienna: an article on ASCAS: Association of Small Collectors of Antique Silver website
Lot 385 | An Austro-Hungarian silver cigarette case.
Cigarette case Elisabeth Maria of Habsburg-Lorraine & Otto Weriand zu Windisch-Grätz, 1902
https://925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20724

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My knowledge of the subject is very limited and anything I do know is owed entirely to the scholarship of writers on the subject for the past century and a half who have catalogued and commented on an industry which is integral to any society needing coin for commercial development or to pay armies to protect it starting perhaps with Darius II of Persia to the Rothschilds of Great Britain.

On the subject of European silver, especially Polish silver, I am a vessel to be filled rather than anything liable to slosh over useful tidbits of data. So I watch as others better qualified do the heavy sledding.

As a student of economics I have long. been impressed by the vanguard role silver plays in world affairs. Gold may determine political direction but silver paves its way and funds its direction.

Living in a country where we have so much of both we treat the latter as a waste metal from cobalt mining and the former as so accessible an un-mined resource we don’t even bother keeping any of it in bank vaults, it’s possible to forget the rest of the globe clamours for it.

CRWW

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Wait a minute! You mean I should not be prepared to receive my shipment from the forum owners?

I think I’ve been bamboozled. :wink:

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Payback came when a China, weakened by colonial exploitation from London was taken over by Japan which then proceeded to acquire by force substantially all UK far eastern assets, requiring a US bail out which saw the end of the British empire and the beginning of the US global hegemony now perhaps coming to its end as China shakes off two centuries of isolationistic sloth.

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